Reverent Responses

Jesus Does Not Condone Sin!
Angela Rose Responds


[Posted on December 27, 2000]

Hi VanQuartermain!

Glad you dropped by Whosoever! I hope you have visited again and prayerfully read the many articles contained within.

It's amazing how a group of supposedly intelligent "Christian" people can go the Bible and try to make a Doctrine out of one scripture,

It certainly does amaze me as well how that happens. I was thrown out of a church three years ago for being transsexual, and there was only one verse which the pastor could quote to me, Deuteronomy 22:5, which has even an inkling to say about crossgenderedness. It is a verse that most people only use to condemn males stepping out of societal bounds of what is deemed appropriate clothing. The verse makes the same admonition to women; however, it is not used to condemn women. It is a verse that also says nothing about one's being transsexual. It's actually a verse that more probably talks about not putting women on the battlefront in armor or men avoiding military service by dressing of the opposite sex. The other interpretation of that verse I've often heard is that is an admonition against crossdressing in pagan fertility rites. Over one misinterpreted, misused, and unequally applied verse, I was told I was blinded by the powers of Satan, had never been a "real Christian" in the first place, and if I didn't repent of my sin and rebellion against God I would find myself in hell. All because a group of supposedly intelligent "Christian" people went to the Bible and tried to make a doctrine out of one Scripture.

which for all homosexuals, lesbians, and bisexuals is Galatians 3:28, which, by the way is so conveniently misinterpreted, to suit the needs of the group

That's a good verse, I agree. I also love Mark 12:29-31. John 9:1-12 is a passage that gives me great hope and comfort. James 4:12. Proverbs 17:17. Just for a real quick list of some favorites of mine. And just for completeness' sake, I do most of my personal study from NIV, which when I'm quoting scripture in this letter, it's from that translation.

Galatians 3:28 misinterpreted, though? Galatians 3:28-29 says, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" (NIV) So since "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved," (Acts 2:21) and as Christians, gay or straight, black or white, male or female, making such a call, we have all therefore equally accepted God's gift of salvation. And thank you for making me take a look at that verse. Verse 29 seems to me to offer even more hope and grace to everyone. I wouldn't have noticed verse 29 without your having me read verse 28.

and also conveniently ignore the multitude of other scriptures that condemn their acts, such as : 1 Cor. 6:9, 10; Rom. 1: 21, 26, 27; 1 Tim. 1: 10, 11; Rom. 6: 11,-14, 22, just to name a few.

Well, I personally would hardly call four references a "multitude." And besides, depending on the particular version of Bible you happen to pick up, that 1 Cor 6:9 has been used against transgenders as well, though in reality it has nothing to do with either sexual orientation or gender identity. The word "effeminate" you're probably referring to (you haven't cited which translation of the Bible you're using) is from the Greek malakos, which is more accurately defined as "licentious." From the KJV era, when women were considered to be not as able to control their passions as men, the idea of malakos might be more accurately interpreted as "womanizer." How the NIV got from the KJV's "effeminate" to "homosexual offenders" I'll never be sure. As for your "naming just a few" verses, I'd be interested to know what other verses there are. Also, I'd be interested to here your opinion of the interpretations of these verses that are found in the pages of Whosoever. They, far better than I can ever hope to do, offer explanations of these verses.

In 2 Tim. 3: 3, the Bible warns us that in the last days, men "will think nothing of immorality." Homosexuality is a serious offense which led to the death penalty for violators in the Old Testament (Lev. 18:22; 20:13.

See our section entitled What The Bible Says About Homosexuality. Please offer your thoughts to the explanation there, as again it's done far better than I can do. And while you research that, if my stepson is disobedient, I will get the men in my town together and stone him. A child's disrespect of his parents' authority is a serious offense which led to the death penalty for violators in the Old Testament. (Deut 21:18-21) (author's note: This is sarcasm. Please do not report my wife and me to the authorities. We will not have our children stoned, nor shall we ever.)

And I love you people, but I, as Jesus, hate your sin. The word of God calls homosexuality an abomination because it is a rebellion against God's original plan of one man and one woman united together for life.

Where is it stated in the Bible the reason for homosexuality considered an abomination is because in your eyes it is rebellion against God's plan for everyone's lives? My first marriage was one that you would call "God's plan for one man and one woman," my being the man and she the woman. However, that marriage was filled with nothing but venom, destruction, misery, hatred, and discouragement. I am remarried now to another woman and am in a same-sex marriage (as I have undergone gender transition), and it is a marriage of love, compassion, caring, encouragement and strengthening. But somehow, in your opinion of God's will for our lives, this relationship is outside of God's will? I can't believe God would have preferred my staying in a destructive marriage in a life role that would have caused nothing but misery, rather than living a life role of correctness, joy and peace with another woman who encourages me and I her. It is by the fruit of the marriages I see the marriages' worthiness and goodness, akin to the idea portrayed in Matthew 7:16-17.

In the authority of Jesus, I will be praying for the binding of lust and homosexual desire.

My relationship is not a lustful one, and I'm very content with my wife, and she with her wife. God brought the two of us into each other's lives for just the encouragement and love we both needed, which is based on nearly everything except the sex acts with which you seem preoccupied.

I pray for you to be free from sin and to find victory and newness of life in Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit.

Thanks! I do so for you as well! Such a newness of life He has given me, too, in leading me through my gender transition and to have a loving spouse by my side and for me to stand beside.

VanQuartermain

I forgot to interpret your organizations scripture for you.

I thought it was everyone's scripture? I'm happy to hear your particular interpretation, though simply because you or I interpret a scripture does not automatically mean that it is God's meaning or intent for our own or others' lives.

True, all of us are one in Jesus Christ, but there is no sin in Jesus Christ, and there is no one else's sin in Jesus Christ. And Jesus Christ does not condone sin, no matter who it is, Jew or Greek, slave or free, male or female.

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law" (Gal 5:22-23). If I had tried living in denial as I had for so long, I would never have had many of these fruits in my life. By following the path I have, I have received all these gifts in increasing quantity and quality. So by the fruit that I have been blessed with, and shown by their manifestation in my life, I see that I am in line with what God's will for my life is.

And if you want, I can give you plenty of scriptures that tell you that homosexuality is a sin. So don't try to misinterpret Scripture to your own liking. God bless.

I thought the "multitude" of scriptures you offered before was all there was to demonstrate your viewpoint? And there are alternative ways to look at those scriptures, rather than what may be your own misinterpretations.

I know I've spent a lot of time looking at this issue through my own life, rather than making a lot of general statements. I don't really feel right making statements about other people's lives too much. I figure that the fruit their lives bear is witness to the Spirit within them. I've seen many same-sex and opposite-sex couples be blessings to each other, to myself, and to others around them. I've also seen both same-sex and opposite sex couples be hurtful and destructive to each other, to myself, and to others around them. I prefer to pray in thankfulness for and continued blessing upon the strong relationships, and for healing and compassion in the relationships that are in need of God's loving touch.

Angela Rose